Viper ACR > *

[e30bmw]

http://www.motortrend.com/features/performance/112_0808_2009_dodge_viper_acr_nurburgring_record/index.html

If I remember correctly, that is a good 30 seconds faster than an E92 M3. I really want one of those.

[hunterd557]

OH NO!

This is a BMW forum

you can't post that Dodge trash

Even though it will out perform any BMW on the market

Even though it's price comparatively low for the money

Even though Viper has always been synonymous with performance from drag racing to the Le Mans GT Class

Now Philip or Wayne will pop in and mention some BMW, because this is a BMW forum

Then I'll spout off some random fact about how the well roundedness of a BMW holds it back on the track .

Then I'll get a PM from Mitch telling me to "cool it" because this is a BMW forum and all other car makes and models are taboo.

F*ck this place . . .

-Dave

[nakedandvulnerable]

OH NO!

This is a BMW forum

you can't post that Dodge trash

Even though it will out perform any BMW on the market

Even though it's price comparatively low for the money

Even though Viper has always been synonymous with performance from drag racing to the Le Mans GT Class

Now Philip or Wayne will pop in and mention some BMW, because this is a BMW forum

Then I'll spout off some random fact about how the well roundedness of a BMW holds it back on the track .

Then I'll get a PM from Mitch telling me to "cool it" because this is a BMW forum and all other car makes and models are taboo.

F*ck this place . . .

-Dave

i lirled :P

[hunterd557]

HAHA, it's all true . . .I'm just waiting . . . .

[DerekNitroRC]

I still like the '99 better, the 1999 Dodge Viper GTS ACR (red) is still my all time most favorite car and I would take it over ANY other car in the world!

[hunterd557]

Vipers are brutally majestic. Wait . . .let me rephrase that . . .Vipers are brutal . . .that's about it. Men love torque and sexy cars, and the Viper happens to be a culmination of the two. You don't get much better than that, especially now, especially for the MONEY!

The Corvette team shot itself in the foot with the price of the new ZR1 and the estimated prices of the Z06. They're going to have to bring something BIG to the table to shut Chrysler down for 2009 and 2010.

Ford is stepping up for 2010 though, the new MUSTANGS (:001_wub:) will be . . .

V6, Twin-Turbo, 300hp
V8, Non-Turbo, 400-450hp

Yes . . . put that in your Camaro and smoke it.

-Dave

[Justin]

I thought the Camaro is suppose to make 300HP with a N/A V6 :confused: It takes Ford two turbos to make 300HP, but Chevy can do that N/A with direct injection.... Also i think the Top motor in the Camaro is going to make 416HP with the LS3 anyway...

http://www.allnewcamaro.com/

:)

[dinanm3atl]

The viper is an amazing machine. So raw and brutal(good word).

96 GTS is the best looking. Performance wise the new ones are just killer. I have had the joy in driving an old viper and man what an experience. The lower gears are close to worthless. So easy to get wheel spin and despite what many BMW owners think you may not be able to take it in the twisties. Does it handle bad? Not really. It is just twitchy and the edge is razor thin. You have to drive in those conditions but once you get it down man it is a fun ride!

[hunterd557]

I thought the Camaro is suppose to make 300HP with a N/A V6 :confused: It takes Ford two turbos to make 300HP, but Chevy can do that N/A with direct injection.... Also i think the Top motor in the Camaro is going to make 416HP with the LS3 anyway...

http://www.allnewcamaro.com/

:)

I know all about them, I was just funnin, remember, my first car was a Camaro, so I'll love them for LIFE! Also, 300hp from an NA is nice, if you don't want to go much further. 300hp from a factory twin-turbo means you'll be netting 330 with no bolt ons, just flashing stuff. A reflash will probably bring you up around 400 if the turbos are BMW-style electronically controlled.

The viper is an amazing machine. So raw and brutal(good word).

96 GTS is the best looking. Performance wise the new ones are just killer. I have had the joy in driving an old viper and man what an experience. The lower gears are close to worthless. So easy to get wheel spin and despite what many BMW owners think you may not be able to take it in the twisties. Does it handle bad? Not really. It is just twitchy and the edge is razor thin. You have to drive in those conditions but once you get it down man it is a fun ride!

You also have to remember, Halston, you're an exceptional driver with exceptional talents. Most who drive these cars don't posess the talent so they spend the money to make up for it. When they realize the Viper bites back, they say "oh, well I prefer X car anyway".

I liken the experience to my car, yeah, it doesn't handle well if you're thinking you can just finess it into a turn, my car has to be pretty much manhandled to drive properly, but as you said, once you get it down, you can have just as much fun, if not more, in the twisties.

I still want to get an older Viper for drifting though, just for the lulz.

-Dave

[Philip]

Saying it's 30 seconds faster then the new M# really is comparing apples to oranges.

That being said, the new ACR is pretty bad ass.

[DerekNitroRC]

...The Corvette team shot itself in the foot with the price of the new ZR1 and the estimated prices of the Z06. They're going to have to bring something BIG to the table to shut Chrysler down for 2009 and 2010...
-Dave

well for 2009 yes, 2010 will quite possibly be a negative on competition from Chrysler as the "new" Chrysler is stopping production of the Viper. They claim that it is not profitable enough to keep in production :(

[e30bmw]

well for 2009 yes, 2010 will quite possibly be a negative on competition from Chrysler as the "new" Chrysler is stopping production of the Viper. They claim that it is not profitable enough to keep in production :(

I know. It makes me sad, Vipers are like the only American cars made in the last 30 years that really get me excited. They are definitely catching up though, even Top Gear agrees.

Saying it's 30 seconds faster then the new M# really is comparing apples to oranges.

That being said, the new ACR is pretty bad ass.

I was actually wrong, it is 40 seconds. And they said it would have been running in the teens with more than a day of runs/adjustments.

It is also about 20 seconds faster than any time I have seen posted for a Veyron, not sure how accurate that is. And it is about 3 seconds faster than the GT-R V-Type concepts they have been running.

[Trout]

Ford is stepping up for 2010 though, the new MUSTANGS (:001_wub:) will be . . .

V6, Twin-Turbo, 300hp
V8, Non-Turbo, 400-450hp

Yes . . . put that in your Camaro and smoke it.

-Dave

Seriously considering a Mustang. That new V8 is called the "Hurricane". It is supposed to be a beast.

[Philip]

Hmmm... a V6TT mustang?

Ford may be shooting themselves in the foot on that one. I bet a software flash and exhaust makes it faster than the GT.

[Trout]

Hmmm... a V6TT mustang?

Ford may be shooting themselves in the foot on that one. I bet a software flash and exhaust makes it faster than the GT.

You are a smart man Philip. Funny thing with Ford is how easy it is to get power for NA V8 motors. The current GT can gain 50HP easily costing less than $2k.

No doubt that TTV6 can be tuned to outrun a V8. Ford has had both motor designs in the work for a long time. The TT motor is not official YET.

[hunterd557]

Hmmm... a V6TT mustang?

Ford may be shooting themselves in the foot on that one. I bet a software flash and exhaust makes it faster than the GT.

Well from the factory it won't be and I think that's what they're shooting for, to eliminate the V8. Hey that rhymed . . .

The V8 is what makes American Muscle . . .well American Muscle, but the twin-turbo thing is going to appeal not only to the younger tuner crowd but to the more mature crowd who likes to tinker out-of-the-box.

We had a pretty good discussion on this at the last drift event and I think, if anything, JR will probably run a turbo V8, but a lot of people seem to think the Twin-turbo V6 will be JR's new weapon, if it is, the V8 will be on it's way out the door.

Without boosting the V8 there won't be a reason for it :(

-Dave

[Trout]

Well from the factory it won't be and I think that's what they're shooting for, to eliminate the V8. Hey that rhymed . . .

The V8 is what makes American Muscle . . .well American Muscle, but the twin-turbo thing is going to appeal not only to the younger tuner crowd but to the more mature crowd who likes to tinker out-of-the-box.

We had a pretty good discussion on this at the last drift event and I think, if anything, JR will probably run a turbo V8, but a lot of people seem to think the Twin-turbo V6 will be JR's new weapon, if it is, the V8 will be on it's way out the door.

Without boosting the V8 there won't be a reason for it :(

-Dave

That V8 is not for the stock GT. It is going to be for the Performance model (Cobra, Boss, Bullitt). It is actually being mass produced for the truck line (F-150 mostly). I think Ford has decided to eventually phase the TT V6 in as the GT engine.

[Philip]

That V8 is not for the stock GT. It is going to be for the Performance model (Cobra, Boss, Bullitt). It is actually being mass produced for the truck line (F-150 mostly). I think Ford has decided to eventually phase the TT V6 in as the GT engine.

Ugh weird.

[hunterd557]

Guess the next Mustang I buy will be either boosted or a special model . . .

So much for saving money

-Dave

[e30bmw]

Guess the next Mustang I buy will be either boosted or a special model . . .

So much for saving money

-Dave

Dude, screw buying a next gen Mustang. Buy an old Viper for drifting.

[hunterd557]

Dude, screw buying a next gen Mustang. Buy an old Viper for drifting.

I'm working on it . . .so far I've got a few in my sights, I want to move into my apartment before I buy another 35-40 thousand dollar car though.

-Dave

[Trout]

I'm working on it . . .so far I've got a few in my sights, I want to move into my apartment before I buy another 35-40 thousand dollar car though.

-Dave

When you are ready to buy a house, talk to...
http://www.ratemyeverything.net/image/12832/0/What_has_two_thumbs_and_smells_of_awesome.ashx
Seriously, I write mortgages for a living.

[e30bmw]

I'm working on it . . .so far I've got a few in my sights, I want to move into my apartment before I buy another 35-40 thousand dollar car though.

-Dave

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u160/k-otikghost/motivator_viper.jpg

Apparently you don't. :001_tongue:

[dinanm3atl]

I would believe it. NA V6 and TT V6. Then V8 is a truck motor with some power. They HAVE to cut cost and cut it now.

If they don't then All 3 US Auto Makers are DEAD.

Really they should JUST make a NA V6 and a TT V6. You lose money making Saleen Cobra and all that bull****. How many are you REALLY going to sell and how much did it cost to produce them?

Just like the ZR1... Why? So you can 'beat Germany' while you go out of business?

Corvette should come with no options. Here is your Corvette. It is a 500hp V8 and either 6 speed manual or slushbox. No other options.

[e30bmw]

Corvette should come with no options. Here is your Corvette. It is a 500hp V8 and a 6 speed manual. No other options.

Fixed. Actually, I guess the slushbox is alright, but I prefer the 6 speed. I do remember reading one of those letters in R&T or C&D and the person was asking why the Viper doesn't come with an auto. They said that the Vette sold more because it did. Stupid people like that make me angry.

[hunterd557]

I want porkchops

[Trout]

http://www.rawhorsepower.com/Giugiaro_Mustang.jpg


This one is more accurate
http://www.lamc.ca/images/Gallery/Ford%20Concepts/2003-mustang%20gtconcept.jpg

[Philip]

I want porkchops

http://www.groupsthatclick.com/files/boxhillnorthfc/mutton-chops.jpg

[Mitch]

OH NO!

This is a BMW forum

you can't post that Dodge trash

Even though it will out perform any BMW on the market

Even though it's price comparatively low for the money

Even though Viper has always been synonymous with performance from drag racing to the Le Mans GT Class

Now Philip or Wayne will pop in and mention some BMW, because this is a BMW forum

Then I'll spout off some random fact about how the well roundedness of a BMW holds it back on the track .

Then I'll get a PM from Mitch telling me to "cool it" because this is a BMW forum and all other car makes and models are taboo.

F*ck this place . . .

-Dave


You know something David, this was a real Ahole of a post. I said it before and I'll say it again, if you DON'T LIKE IT HERE than LEAVE!!

[hunterd557]

Well . . .I'm a real a-hole . . .no make-believe here . . .

[Mitch]

OK back on track!!

[Leeroy]

If I wanted to buy a car that was trying to kill me then I would definitely buy the viper. I would buy it either way. :evil:

If only insurance would let me have one...... I think if you wreck a viper the minimum cost of repair is around $25k. I could be mistaken tho..

[hunterd557]

If I were to wreck a viper, that means I'm doing something crazy, cost of repair would be:

1 totaled Viper, 88,743 dollars on Debit Mastercard

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a63/nightmajik/crashed-viper.jpg

1 totaled Porsche 121,218 dollars on Debit Mastercard

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a63/nightmajik/thumb800x800_2703877658_e2f34f2a85_.jpg

1 totaled BMW M5 93,100 dollars on Debit Mastercard

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a63/nightmajik/25193878pr8.jpg


Insurance costs, 500 dollars + accident fees on Debit Mastercard

http://www.breakitdownblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/progressive_insurance.jpg

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Knowing you won the race regardless of the outcome . . . .PRICELESS!

http://www.ahtrolley.org/photos/Mvc-084f-thumb.jpg




There are moments in life you can't put a price on . . .for everything else, there's Mastercard.

-Dave

[e30bmw]

If I were to wreck a viper, that means I'm doing something crazy, cost of repair would be:

1 totaled Viper, 68,000 dollars on Debit Mastercard
1 totaled Porsche 120,000 dollars on Debit Mastercard
1 totaled BMW M5 39,000 dollars on Debit Mastercard
Insurance costs, 500 dollars + accident fees on Debit Mastercard
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Knowing you won the race regardless of the outcome . . . .PRICELESS!


There are moments in life you can't put a price on . . .for everything else, there's Mastercard.

-Dave

Very well done, sir.

[hunterd557]

Now with pictures and slightly adjusted prices, LOL!


EDIT::: How the HELL do you rip an ENGINE in half . . . and still have your PS reservoir in tact?!

HOLY CRAP!

-Dave

[e30bmw]

Now with pictures and slightly adjusted prices, LOL!


EDIT::: How the HELL do you rip an ENGINE in half . . . and still have your PS reservoir in tact?!

HOLY CRAP!

-Dave

Better wrecked Viper pic. That was a Hennessey Viper on Gumball. The guy walked away with nothing broken.

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v79/204/71/732860257/n732860257_801924_5965.jpg

[hunterd557]

Except his bank account, the H.Viper is like 180,000 :(

[DerekNitroRC]

Better wrecked Viper pic. That was a Hennessey Viper on Gumball. The guy walked away with nothing broken.

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v79/204/71/732860257/n732860257_801924_5965.jpg

the guy in the b/g looks like he is going off to shoot himself

[e30bmw]

Except his bank account, the H.Viper is like 180,000 :(

Well this is the older H. Viper. So it might be a little cheaper, and I think he can afford it.

the guy in the b/g looks like he is going off to shoot himself

I would be pretty depressed too.

[nakedandvulnerable]

Now with pictures and slightly adjusted prices, LOL!


EDIT::: How the HELL do you rip an ENGINE in half . . . and still have your PS reservoir in tact?!

HOLY CRAP!

-Dave

mainly because
32411097164
has been around since 1981 and used on nearly every bmw since.... bullet proof :D

[EnderM3]

Better wrecked Viper pic. That was a Hennessey Viper on Gumball. The guy walked away with nothing broken.

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v79/204/71/732860257/n732860257_801924_5965.jpg


and that is why the viper needs a warning on the steering wheel.

"Do not attemp to make vehicle turn. You will die!"

[hunterd557]

Vipers, from the factory and in the hands of a proper driver, handle very well actually. As Halston already mentioned, it just takes getting used to. Once you tame the snake it's a very rewarding drive that can out handle a LOT of vehicles on the market today.

But then again, I'm just a dumb Obama supporter who drives a Mustang so everything that can turn can handle in my opinion, what do I know?

[Philip]

Now with pictures and slightly adjusted prices, LOL!


EDIT::: How the HELL do you rip an ENGINE in half . . . and still have your PS reservoir in tact?!

HOLY CRAP!

-Dave

Is it bad that I immediately knew what that car was from the bank of throttle bodies?

[Philip]

mainly because
32411097164
has been around since 1981 and used on nearly every bmw since.... bullet proof :D

I think you mean "32 41 1 097 164"
:detective:

[Trout]

Not everyone walked away
http://www.pressstarttocontinue.net/images/viper.jpg

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/EDITORIAL/viper_after.jpg

http://www.wreckedexotics.com/viper/viper_20070606_002.jpg

[EnderM3]

Vipers, from the factory and in the hands of a proper driver, handle very well actually. As Halston already mentioned, it just takes getting used to. Once you tame the snake it's a very rewarding drive that can out handle a LOT of vehicles on the market today.

But then again, I'm just a dumb Obama supporter who drives a Mustang so everything that can turn can handle in my opinion, what do I know?


two points.

1. in the right hands your grandma can handle well, but most people are not that experianced....nor want to be:blink:

2. handling means sticking to the road, when the ass is out and tires are smoking that is not handling. Its fun, but its not handling.

yes they are fun as hell do drive, but there are other cars I would rather drive that can scare the living crap out of me :)

back on topic..that viper would look WAY better without the wing.

[Philip]

two points.

1. in the right hands your grandma can handle well, but most people are not that experianced....nor want to be:blink:

2. handling means sticking to the road, when the ass is out and tires are smoking that is not handling. Its fun, but its not handling.

yes they are fun as hell do drive, but there are other cars I would rather drive that can scare the living crap out of me :)

back on topic..that viper would look WAY better without the wing.

+1 I like it better when they have little duckbill trunklid thing.

http://www.geocities.com/Wishful71/FULLSIZE/ViperTail.jpg

[nakedandvulnerable]

two points.

1. in the right hands your grandma can handle well, but most people are not that experianced....nor want to be:blink:

2. handling means sticking to the road, when the ass is out and tires are smoking that is not handling. Its fun, but its not handling.

yes they are fun as hell do drive, but there are other cars I would rather drive that can scare the living crap out of me :)

back on topic..that viper would look WAY better without the wing.

a vehicle needs a certain amount of grip to maintain the sideways aspect.... sure its not the fastest way but it is still gripping.... **** even dragracing needs a certain amount of "handling"

[hunterd557]

I obviously have no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to proper driving, like I said, I'm not a BMW guy anymore, I'm a Mustang owner, it's AWL STRATE LYNE FER ME BOYS YEEEE HAAAWWWW GIT R DUN!

All I'm saying is, the Viper gets a bad reputation because people can't drive the thing. No offense but it doesn't have anything fancy to keep it inline safe for a fuelcut traction control system. No ASM, DTS, DSC, DSS, DRS, SBS, More BS. It's pure driving. I'm sure if I looked up wrecked BMW's there'd be some haymakers as well from people who decided stabilty management + traction control = I'm a badass driver.

Then there are cars like the new GTR with it's Active AWD and the new SH-AWD from Acura and Evo VIII and up AWD systems which make drivers with even the most PATHETIC amount of car control look like driving gods. It's really pretty on paper and it looks cool from the outside but if you put those same drivers in the hands of a real car with all that crap either non-existent or disabled . . .they can't drive.

I'm sorry, but if you need 3,000 sensors and computers to tell your car what to do in a turn, you can't drive and NO my opinion on that will not change.

-Dave

[e30bmw]

Umm, I'll take a spoiler on the Viper if it makes it lap the Ring faster than any production car...

And from everything I have ever read about a Viper, they handle very well, most people aren't good enough to drive them. And as well all know the size of your wallet and your skill as a driver are not related. In any way. At all.

[Philip]

I obviously have no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to proper driving, like I said, I'm not a BMW guy anymore, I'm a Mustang owner, it's AWL STRATE LYNE FER ME BOYS YEEEE HAAAWWWW GIT R DUN!

All I'm saying is, the Viper gets a bad reputation because people can't drive the thing. No offense but it doesn't have anything fancy to keep it inline safe for a fuelcut traction control system. No ASM, DTS, DSC, DSS, DRS, SBS, More BS. It's pure driving. I'm sure if I looked up wrecked BMW's there'd be some haymakers as well from people who decided stabilty management + traction control = I'm a badass driver.

Then there are cars like the new GTR with it's Active AWD and the new SH-AWD from Acura and Evo VIII and up AWD systems which make drivers with even the most PATHETIC amount of car control look like driving gods. It's really pretty on paper and it looks cool from the outside but if you put those same drivers in the hands of a real car with all that crap either non-existent or disabled . . .they can't drive.

I'm sorry, but if you need 3,000 sensors and computers to tell your car what to do in a turn, you can't drive and NO my opinion on that will not change.

-Dave

What about the few and the proud BMWs that don't have any of that fancy stuff (including that new-fangled fuel cut traction control that the Viper has)???
No ASC, no DSC, not even TCS or ABS on my car. The only traction enhancing equipment BMW saw fit to give me is LSD. :detective:

[Philip]

Umm, I'll take a spoiler on the Viper if it makes it lap the Ring faster than any production car...

And from everything I have ever read about a Viper, they handle very well, most people aren't good enough to drive them. And as well all know the size of your wallet and your skill as a driver are not related. In any way. At all.

And thank God too, because if they were I wouldn't be able to control a Kia Spectrum! :lol:

[hunterd557]

Yeah, I'd be stuck in a Dacia Sandara, (Top Gear Joke)

Nah, I'd probably be in the E30 crew, LOL!

-Dave

[e30bmw]

Yeah, I'd be stuck in a Dacia Sandara, (Top Gear Joke)

-Dave

This made me lol. I'd be far worse than you guys. I would be too crappy of a driver to drive a mini-van if my wallet had anything to do with it. I hate being a broke teenager. And by broke, I mean cheap, because I have money, I am just saving it.