Supercharged?

[88e28]

I was thinking of going supercharged I have seen prices range from $10,000.00 -$5000.00. Anyone know why such a big price range? maybe Quality or Horsepower range.

[blackstig]

I think it's mostly because, as I've mentioned before, BMW (as with many other European manufacturers) tend to over engineer their cars, thus making getting any real power gains pretty difficult. This is why when you spend a little bit of money, you get very small numbers, 1-10hp. When you want serious gains, such as that with forced induction, the price jumps significantly, especially with the amount of RnD that has to go into designing each and every single component to mate desireably with BMW's engines.

It's one of the reasons why I'm starting to ween slowly away from BMW, simply because I like modding and BMWs are pretty close to what you're going to get as is. Forced induction will give you the power, but on most european models, it's going to cost. For instance, I can't think of a single turbo or supercharger kit that costs 5k for my car, however, when I had my E34, the supercharger for it from ESS was 6900 bucks.

That was a serious eye opener. I mean, if you can afford it, by all means, go for it, I'd love to see it. Supercharged and turbocharged BMWs sound and perform GREAT, I'd love to go for a cruise in it once it's done, ^_^

Other than that, I don't know, if I got another BMW, it would remain pretty much stock.

-Stig

[uber///m3]

I was thinking of going supercharged I have seen prices range from $10,000.00 -$5000.00. Anyone know why such a big price range? maybe Quality or Horsepower range.

I'm getting ready to S/C mine and AA had their kit "on sale" for $7400. That doesn't include installation, gauges, tuning, etc...

88e28 is right - if you're gonna play in a BMW, you're gonna have to be prepared to pay.

[BMRSEB]

Pick your poison.. :icon18:

http://www.aatuning.com/supercharger-systems.aspx?menu=2&submenu=6

http://www.koperformance.com/BMW/turbo_superchargers/index.htm#



There's also turbocharging, though more expensive... :)

http://www.aatuning.com/turbo-systems.aspx?menu=2&submenu=7

Let us know which way you go.. :mf_dribble:

From my very limited FI knowhow, I would say Turbo'ing will probably stress the engine more over SC. But, more power gains from turbo'ing, so 6 of one, 1/2 a dozen of the other.. Maybe someone with more FI experience can guide you towards your ultimate goals.

[88e28]

Cost isn't the problem, Its just the best price for the most power gains.

[KAAMAcat]

I think typically your "twin screw" type are more expensive, as compared to the bolt-on force-fed style off the front of the engine (like the vortec style) ....my guess is probably due to the fact that the twin-screw (side mount) are direct onto the engine and also replace some of your runners and such.

Some of the other costs could be if the kit includes any sort of intercooler setup...etc. (I forget the one that is seen in Roundel, for about 7K, but looked to be very nice). I just personally like the "look" of those as a more direct bolt-on to the motor (but would be tight on the sides)

I think a good source would be Mike McCoy (techno550 on bf)......

[88e28]

From my very limited FI knowhow, I would say Turbo'ing will probably stress the engine more over SC. But, more power gains from turbo'ing, so 6 of one, 1/2 a dozen of the other.. Maybe someone with more FI experience can guide you towards your ultimate goals.[/QUOTE]

I do want to put less stress on the motor because its a 1995 M50 with 72,000 miles on it. But do want more power.

[atl530i]

So you are not supercharging the E28?? :) Probably the most amount of boost you can run will also be around 6 psi with stock internals from what I read. Have fun with that though.

[88e28]

So you are not supercharging the E28?? :) Probably the most amount of boost you can run will also be around 6 psi with stock internals from what I read. Have fun with that though.

The e28 is saying stock, I'm doing it to the e36.

[Dominic49]

active stage 2 c38 kit...

the only way to go.....



*note* you WILL need a beefy clutch....

[88e28]

Thanks I"ll look it up.

[uber///m3]

Cost isn't the problem, Its just the best price for the most power gains.

This is a subject I've discussed NUMEROUS times on other forums. It's very easy to calculate which is the most cost effective:

TOTAL cost of upgrade ($)
---------------------- = $/HP
HP gained (HP)

Take any combination of power upgrades (s/c, turbo, intake/mass airflow/exhaust/pulleys) and do the calculation. The SMALLEST $/HP number derived is your most cost effective power gain. The only remaining question after your calculation is was your gain "enough"? :confused1:

[88e28]

Thanks, But you know that answer. Its never enough. LOL

[McLovin]

Do It Do It!

[Mitch]

Member EnderM3 is a supercharging pro, he knows them well and knows applications as well. Dan wanna chime in here?

[88e28]

Thanks, I didn"t know that.

[FatFendrFrk]

VF-engineering....6psi = just under 300 hp,and about 250 tq = $4500 ,and powered by quite possibly the best software tuner in the US,GIAC.
We've installed several kits,from 24v VR6's,e39 540i's,and most recenlty 2003 330i.
We run their super charger kit on one of our shop cars,a 2000 996 porsche for over 3 years,with "0" issues
has stock drivabilty,and hits like a velvet hammer.The TQ doesn't hit like a turbo,so a stock clutch in good condition can be put to good use.
The 2003 330i we just put a kit on,has over 90k on stock clutch,and has no issues with it.
The kit is a straight forward bolt on,and the ecu gets a flash tune via GIAC.

for $4500,thats a pretty good i think.And i'll give 5% off to club bimmer members

just my $0.02

' B '
EPG-Atlanta

[Philip]

Do you know if GIAC is planning on developing any software for the 335i?
Their work with the VW/Audi 1.8t/2.0t is friggin amazing.

[FatFendrFrk]

Do you know if GIAC is planning on developing any software for the 335i?
Their work with the VW/Audi 1.8t/2.0t is friggin amazing.

don't know as of right now.I will sent a personal email to Garrett Lim himself.They were supposed to release software outside of the VF stuff,for us to flashtune in house,but haven't heard anything recently.
I will check into the 335i stuff and drop you a line.

' B '

[88e28]

VF-engineering....6psi = just under 300 hp,and about 250 tq = $4500 ,and powered by quite possibly the best software tuner in the US,GIAC.
We've installed several kits,from 24v VR6's,e39 540i's,and most recenlty 2003 330i.
We run their super charger kit on one of our shop cars,a 2000 996 porsche for over 3 years,with "0" issues
has stock drivabilty,and hits like a velvet hammer.The TQ doesn't hit like a turbo,so a stock clutch in good condition can be put to good use.
The 2003 330i we just put a kit on,has over 90k on stock clutch,and has no issues with it.
The kit is a straight forward bolt on,and the ecu gets a flash tune via GIAC.

for $4500,thats a pretty good i think.And i'll give 5% off to club bimmer members

just my $0.02

' B '
EPG-Atlanta

VF is who I was looking at.. So if you installed a few of their chargers you should be fast at it. What is the Total labor cost?

[Philip]

don't know as of right now.I will sent a personal email to Garrett Lim himself.They were supposed to release software outside of the VF stuff,for us to flashtune in house,but haven't heard anything recently.
I will check into the 335i stuff and drop you a line.

' B '

I'm crossing my fingers that they aren't! LOL
I sell Dinan for a living.

[BMRSEB]

I'm crossing my fingers that they aren't! LOL
I sell Dinan for a living.
Isn't there already software for the 335i via Vishnu Tuning? Or are we talking about completely different things?

http://www.vishnutuning.com/bmw_335i.htm

[Philip]

Isn't there already software for the 335i via Vishnu Tuning? Or are we talking about completely different things?

http://www.vishnutuning.com/bmw_335i.htm

There are a plenty of tuners making software for 335i's, but none of them give me any competition because they're all riddled with problems and check engine lights. If GIAC makes something for the 335i's then I'll have a real competitor with a legitimate product that isn't garbage.

[Philip]

Oh, btw- Wayne, I found an S50B30 motor set w/ 6spd tranny for $5500. IMO, that would be a much better way to spend the money than blowing up your M50.

[blackstig]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


+1

[Philip]

ITB's FTW.

[Justin]

Yep go with what Philip saids!!! ITB's, High revs, more power, M-azing sounds and a 6-speed how could you go wrong???

[BMRSEB]

Oh, btw- Wayne, I found an S50B30 motor set w/ 6spd tranny for $5500. IMO, that would be a much better way to spend the money than blowing up your M50.

+10000!! ^^^^ And here's a site that sells Euro S50B30's and S50B32's!! Maybe the same place as what Philip recommended?

http://www.abloriginalparts.com/pb/wp_3f5ff1e2/wp_3f5ff1e2.html?0.4807706364317512

[88e28]

Labor cost between them...Charger has less labor to install.

[BMRSEB]

Labor cost between them...Charger has less labor to install.
True.. But, you'd have the exclusivity factor..:icon18: And besides money's not a factor, right?!! :1eye:

[88e28]

Yes.... but why pull an engine out with only 72,000 miles on it. and new clutch and tranny.

[Justin]

Because the Euro motors are sick!!!! Sell the other motor put in a Euro motor with 75k on it :) You will have to redo the clutch anyway for the S/C or turbo! Like Seb said it is very exclusive esp in a Vert!!!

[88e28]

Ok .. The hell with it just put NOS on it..Yea.. go Fast!!!

[SOUTHERNBIMMER]

+10000!! ^^^^ And here's a site that sells Euro S50B30's and S50B32's!! Maybe the same place as what Philip recommended?

http://www.abloriginalparts.com/pb/wp_3f5ff1e2/wp_3f5ff1e2.html?0.4807706364317512


This site is sweet!

[SOUTHERNBIMMER]

I ordered the Zionsville Project Orca and OBD1 conversion cds tonight. Can't wait to study them. Anxious as hell to get to work in my shop but still have some projects to finish in my house first.

[Justin]

Man Jason i havent seen you on here in a while it seems like, welcome back my friend lol! Hows the shop coming?

[SOUTHERNBIMMER]

Man Jason i havent seen you on here in a while it seems like, welcome back my friend lol! Hows the shop coming?


I have been very busy. Working longer hours lately plus working on my house, moving, still moving stuff. I should be finished moving everything I hope tomorrow. Nothing has happened in the shop yet except stuff alot of tools and a couple cars in it. I have another week before I can start getting it in shape. I have to bust ass too because I have to get my car ready for April 5th.

[88e28]

I have been very busy. Working longer hours lately plus working on my house, moving, still moving stuff. I should be finished moving everything I hope tomorrow. Nothing has happened in the shop yet except stuff alot of tools and a couple cars in it. I have another week before I can start getting it in shape. I have to bust ass too because I have to get my car ready for April 5th.

Thats what I'm doing tring to get my car ready.

[RJ's325ITS]

Turbos are more engine friendly than blowers. mechanical fact.

If you are looking for power you *must* go Turbo. If you size your turbo right you can drive around town on lo boost and when you need all the raw power out go to hi boost and be done.

TRM has worked in some sweet S/C set-ups like the TwinScrew, they have made 400whp with a custom tune and a better pulley. But you will do better with a Stg 1 or 2.

I've seen so many poeple go from S/Cs to Trubos that is not even funny, I've raced some E46M3s S/C by AA and they were slow for all that money, if you know what I nean.

I been runing 10psi daily with stock internals for over 1yr 1/2 and I also run 13psi whenever I get a fast car next to me. In my race set-up I run 15psi on race fuel though.

I belive the TRM stg 1 will put you around 300whp with light mods and you will keep your DME if you are OBD1 if you are not you can do a OBD1 conv. or go with a TT kit for and extra 2-3K

here is a clip of the my car and also runing some AA car: Click Here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5676828585020862335&q=aa+trm&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

GL either way you go.

[SOUTHERNBIMMER]

Turbos are more engine friendly than blowers. mechanical fact.

If you are looking for power you *must* go Turbo. If you size your turbo right you can drive around town on lo boost and when you need all the raw power out go to hi boost and be done.

TRM has worked in some sweet S/C set-ups like the TwinScrew, they have made 400whp with a custom tune and a better pulley. But you will do better with a Stg 1 or 2.

I've seen so many poeple go from S/Cs to Trubos that is not even funny, I've raced some E46M3s S/C by AA and they were slow for all that money, if you know what I nean.

I been runing 10psi daily with stock internals for over 1yr 1/2 and I also run 13psi whenever I get a fast car next to me. In my race set-up I run 15psi on race fuel though.

I belive the TRM stg 1 will put you around 300whp with light mods and you will keep your DME if you are OBD1 if you are not you can do a OBD1 conv. or go with a TT kit for and extra 2-3K

here is a clip of the my car and also runing some AA car: Click Here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5676828585020862335&q=aa+trm&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

GL either way you go.


Cheers! Good stuff! Can't wait till I can get to the engine swap stage. Few months I think.

[SOUTHERNBIMMER]

I belive the TRM stg 1 will put you around 300whp with light mods and you will keep your DME if you are OBD1 if you are not you can do a OBD1 conv. or go with a TT kit for and extra 2-3K




Wayne I just got my copy of the Zionsville OBD 1 Conversion disc. You should gain 25 hp just doing the switch. It would be something seeing you with 300 hp. Blasting AC/DC all the way! Haha! Rock on!

[RJ's325ITS]

Cheers! Good stuff! Can't wait till I can get to the engine swap stage. Few months I think.

Are you talking about something like this :icon18:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b103/rafaelnos/E30S50Swap005.jpg


http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b103/rafaelnos/E30S50swap003.jpg

[SOUTHERNBIMMER]

Are you talking about something like this :icon18:



You know it. Looking to go S52 in my 92' E30 vert. Dream is to go S54 but that would mean I would then have to park the car again. :nono:

[RJ's325ITS]

You know it. Looking to go S52 in my 92' E30 vert. Dream is to go S54 but that would mean I would then have to park the car again. :nono:

You know what I migh want to sell my S52 to go w/a fully built boost engine for 600whp on pump... Will you be interested? Refresh head and the bottom end has around 140K miles.

[SOUTHERNBIMMER]

You know what I migh want to sell my S52 to go w/a fully built boost engine for 600whp on pump... Will you be interested? Refresh head and the bottom end has around 140K miles.


I guess price would be the factor. I can get ahold of good deals but been biding my time while working on my house. I also have to put a clutch in my E36 so I can sell it to further fund my plans. I have 3 E30's and an E36. Looking to buy an E46 330I in 2 weeks as well. Like I said realistically I'll probably be ready in a couple months.

[88e28]

Wayne I just got my copy of the Zionsville OBD 1 Conversion disc. You should gain 25 hp just doing the switch. It would be something seeing you with 300 hp. Blasting AC/DC all the way! Haha! Rock on!

Jason, thanks would love to see that disc. And for the music:punk::punk::punk::punk: